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To: Ahmed Abumarzouq <ahmed@p-i-s.com>
Subject: Re: Letter to Paltel
From: "Electronic Digital Information Systems" <edisco@palnet.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:01:37 +0200

It's fine with me.

Hamza

Date sent: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:18:29 +0200
To: "Ibrahim Barham" <ibrahim_barham@safad.com>
From: Ahmed Abumarzouq <ahmed@p-i-s.com>
Subject: Letter to Paltel
Copies to: "PITA" <abudaka@pita-palestine.org>, <Board@pita-palestine.org>,
<maan@palnet.com>, <sbahour@palnet.com>

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Here is a draft of such a letter

Dear Dr. Abdel Rahman :
As you are well aware that we are currently=20
working on a draft strategy to be approved by PITA, ISPs and Paltel. We=20
have sent you an initial draft and you have replied back with some=20
comments. We would like to get more details about Paltel strategy and=20
plans. These details will help us reach to final strategy that will be=20
beneficial not only to ISPs and Paltel but to the IT community in=20
Palestine. Thanks

P.S. please modify as you see fit, make sure to send it with you
signature.= =20 thanks

At 10:26 =D5 24/05/01, Ibrahim Barham wrote:
><?color><?param 0100,0100,0100>
>Dear Ahmad
>
>Let's write them a letter today, and this letter we will ask them for=20
>their new strategy, we sent them ours. And after that we will ask them
>for=
=20
>a meeting to discuss both strategies. I know that there was a decision=20
>from the board asking the ISPs about their opinion, but let's make it
>and=
=20
>them for their own new strategy.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Regards,
>
>Ibrahim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Bahour [mailto:sbahour@palnet.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:25 PM
>To: Ibrahim Barham
>Cc: Board@pita-palestine.org; maan@palnet.com
>Subject: (Fwd) Re: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
>
>Ibrahim & Ahmed,
>
>We are losing the lead on this issue. Why this tone that we are working
>24=
=20
>hours...as if they put us in a spin or we don't know what we want?!!
>We=20 know what we want and trying to play nice with a 100M USD monopoly
>is=20 going to pinch PITA. We need to regain the initiative here. The
>ball=20 should be back in PALTEL's court tomorrow before the close of
>business.
>
>I go back to my last suggestion that we refer to the need for them to=20
>provide their plans, strategy, etc...IN WRITING. Also, our letters
>should=
=20
>be sent in better English, especially when we decide to send it to 100=20
>peple at PALTEL.
>
>Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>------- Forwarded message follows -------
><?/color>Date sent: <?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>Wed, 23 May 2001=20
>19:14:52 +0200<?/color> To: <?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>"Abdel Rahman
>Omar"=20 <aromar@paltel.net>, <ZahiKhouri@aol.com>,<?/color>
><?color><?param 0000,0000,8000><mkhorma@paltel.net>,
><mkhorma@aol.com>,=20 <leith@4san.com>,<?/color> <?color><?param
>0000,0000,8000><wnajjab@mcs-palestine.com>,=20
><rohaifa@cabank-pal.com>,<?/color> <?color><?param
>0000,0000,8000>"Haytham Zuabi" <hzuabi@zaytona.com>,=20
><khalil.hamad@paltel.net><?/color> From: <?color><?param
>0000,0000,8000>Ahmed Abumarzouq=20 <ahmed@p-i-s.com><?/color> Subject:
><?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>Re: We lost a new Frame Relay @=20
>Rafah<?/color> Copies to: <?color><?param
>0000,0000,8000><management@palnet.com>,=20 <nael.asad@paltel.net>,
><muneeb@mecopal.com>,<?/color> <?color><?param
>0000,0000,8000>isps@pita-palestine.org,=20
>Board@pita-palestine.org<?/color>
>
><?color><?param 0000,8000,0000>[ Double-click this line for list=20
>subscription options ]<?/color>
>
>Dear All,
>
>First of all, PITA Board, ISPs and many other individuals have
>been working around the clock for the past week to come up with a
>strategy.=
I
>send our draft strategy to Dr. Abdel Rahman and he replied back with
>three points that he would like to see in the Draft. These point were
>added with=
=20
>some
>modification to the strategy, In our board meeting this Saturday we
>will=20 discuss this draft and after the approval it will be sent back to
>Dr. abdel Rahman=
=20
>and
>after Paltel approval we will announce a public workshop with Paltel and=
all
>the ISPs to discuss the new strategy in public. In my opinion we are
>making progress on an issue that has been lingering there for three years
>now.
>
>My second point, having a public forum to exchange ideas without a
>draft strategy that we all agree to is non sense we have done that tens
>of=
=20
>time
>in Paltel HQ in Nabuls and in the Grand Park hotel in Ramallah, nothing
>happened, just talk, so we are not going to do it again unless we have
>a=20 general understanding and basic agreement on these issues and we can
>work the minor details later.
>
>
>
>Finally, I hope by the next week we will have a mutually agreed
>upon strategy that will be beneficial to both of us. If you would like to
>address all the ISPs in Palestine just post to isps@pita-palestine.org
>and to address the board of PITA post to pita@pita-palestine.org and we
>will post it for you. Take care and thanks for listening
>
>
>
>At 04:38 =E3 23/05/01, Abdel Rahman Omar wrote:
><?color><?param 7F00,0000,0000>>Nael,
> >
> >Explanation please.
> >
> >MAAN,
> >
> >THE BALL IS AND HAS BEEN IN YOUR COURT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE AND
> >DISCUSSED THESE AND OTHER ISSUES.
> >
> >I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS THE SAME COURT AS FAR AS PIS, POL ETC ETC...ARE
> >CONCERNED. WE WILL NOT DEAL WITH ONE ISP AT A TIME. YOU FOLKS DO NOT=20
> SEEM TO BE
> >ORGANIZED OR HAVE A UNIFIED VOICE TO REPRESENT YOU OR SPEAK ON YOUR=
BEHALF.
> >
> >WE REPEATEDLY REQUESTED A FORUM TO EXCHANGE VIEWS AND ARRIVE AT
> >MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE AND BENEFICIAL WAYS AND/OR CONDITIONS FOR WORKING
> >TOGETHER=20
> WITH ALL
> >ISP'S.
> >
> >YOU FOLKS SUGGESTED PITA.
> >
> >WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A REPLY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WAIT. BUT PLEASE
> >DO=
NOT
> >COMPLAIN IN THE MEANTIME.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Abdel Rahman Omar
> >
> >_______________________________________________________________________
> >__=
=20
> ___
> >_______________
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Maan Bseiso" <maan@palnet.com>
> >To: <aromar@paltel.net>; <ZahiKhouri@aol.com>; <mkhorma@paltel.net>;
> ><mkhorma@aol.com> Cc: <management@palnet.com>; <nael.asad@paltel.net>;
> ><muneeb@mecopal.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: FW:
> >We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
> >
> >
> > > Dear Mr. Khouri and Mr. Omar...
> > >
> > > Please find below another case of unfair competition . This case is
> > > in Rafah, how can we trust paltel to install the frame relay lines
> > > for=20
> us, if
> > > they are telling our customers to dump us and take internet from=
Paltel.
> >Is
> > > this the synergy we are talking about
> > >
> > > I demand that you do something about it .. this has gone too far..
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Samer Sabri [mailto:samers@palnet.com]
> > > Sent: 22/May/2001 04:50 PM
> > > To: maan@palnet.com
> > > Cc: Samer Sabri
> > > Subject: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
> > > Importance: High
> > >
> > >
> > > Salam Maan ...
> > >
> > > We sent an offer through Meco to a new Internet Cafe @ Rafah ..
> > > it=20
> was in
> > > 22/4/01 and they gave us the acceptance @ 9/5/01.
> > >
> > > We sent to Paltel request for the F/R but they told us that they
> > > need=
a
> >week
> > > to install this service in Rafah. But in 20/5/01 when Paltel tech
> > > team
> >went
> > > there to Install the DTU @ the Internet Caf=E9 they told him that
> > > they=
can
> > > give him the same service in better price which is $320. After that
> > > he called Mohamad at Palnet's office in Gaza and he told him that
> > > he=20
> want to
> > > stop the order from Palnet and he want to take the F/R service
> > > from=20
> Paltel.
> > >
> > > What can we do with Paltel about that , and its not the first time=
they
> >are
> > > doing this?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Samer
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
><?/color>Best Regards
>Ahmed Abumarzouq, CPA
>President & CEO
>Palestinian Internet Services
>WWW.P-I-S.COM
>Tel: +(970) 8 2843197
>Fax: +(970) 8 2843377
>Some countries are still using the Israeli Code 972
>
><?color><?param 0100,0100,0100>------- End of forwarded message -------

Best Regards
Ahmed Abumarzouq, CPA
President & CEO
Palestinian Internet Services
WWW.P-I-S.COM
Tel: +(970) 8 2843197
Fax: +(970) 8 2843377
Some countries are still using the Israeli Code 972

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Here is a draft of such a letter 
Dear Dr. Abdel Rahman : 
<x-tab>        </x-tab><x-tab>&nbs
p;=
       </x-tab><x-tab>  &nbsp
;&= nbsp;    </x-tab> As you are well aware that we
are currently working on a draft strategy to=
be approved by PITA, ISPs and Paltel. We have sent you an initial draft
and= you have replied back with some comments. We would like to get more
details= about Paltel strategy and plans. These details will help us
reach to final= strategy that will be beneficial not only to ISPs and
Paltel but to the IT= community in Palestine. Thanks 
P.S. please modify as you see fit, make sure to send it with you
signature.=
thanks 
At 10:26 =D5 24/05/01, Ibrahim Barham wrote: 
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><?color><?param=
0100,0100,0100> 
Dear Ahmad 
  Let's write
them a letter=
today, and this letter we will ask them for their new strategy, we sent=
them ours. And after that we will ask them for a meeting to discuss both=
strategies. I know that there was a decision from the board asking the
ISPs= about their opinion, but let's make it and them for their own new=
strategy. 
  
What do you=
think? 
  
Regards, 
  
Ibrahim 
 
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Sam Bahour [<a href=3D"mailto:sbahour@palnet.com"=
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:sbahour@palnet.com</a>]
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:25 PM
<dd>To: Ibrahim Barham
<dd>Cc: Board@pita-palestine.org; maan@palnet.com
<dd>Subject: (Fwd) Re: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah 

<dd>Ibrahim & Ahmed, 

<dd>We are losing the lead on this issue. Why this tone that we are
working=
24 hours...as if they put us in a spin or we don't know what we want?!!
We= know what we want and trying to play nice with a 100M USD monopoly is
going= to pinch PITA. We need to regain the initiative here. The ball
should be= back in PALTEL's court tomorrow before the close of
business. 

<dd>I go back to my last suggestion that we refer to the need for them to=
provide their plans, strategy, etc...IN WRITING. Also, our letters
should= be sent in better English, especially when we decide to send it
to 100= peple at PALTEL. 

<dd>Sam 
 
 

<dd>------- Forwarded message follows -------
<dd><?/color>Date sent: <?color><?param=
0000,0000,8000>Wed, 23 May 2001 19:14:52 +0200<?/color>
<dd>To: <?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>"Abdel Rahman=
Omar" <aromar@paltel.net>,=
<ZahiKhouri@aol.com>,<?/color>
<dd><?color><?param
0000,0000,8000><mkhorma@paltel.net>,=
<mkhorma@aol.com>, <leith@4san.com>,<?/color>
<dd><?color><?param=
0000,0000,8000><wnajjab@mcs-palestine.com>,=
<rohaifa@cabank-pal.com>,<?/color>
<dd><?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>"Haytham Zuabi"=
<hzuabi@zaytona.com>,
<khalil.hamad@paltel.net><?/color>
<dd>From: <?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>Ahmed Abumarzouq=
<ahmed@p-i-s.com><?/color>
<dd>Subject: <?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>Re: We lost a new=
Frame Relay @ Rafah<?/color>
<dd>Copies to: <?color><?param=
0000,0000,8000><management@palnet.com>,=
<nael.asad@paltel.net>, <muneeb@mecopal.com>,<?/color>
<dd><?color><?param 0000,0000,8000>isps@pita-palestine.org,=
Board@pita-palestine.org<?/color> 

<dd><?color><?param 0000,8000,0000>[ Double-click this line
for=
list subscription options ]<?/color> 

<dd>Dear All, 

<dd>First of all, PITA Board, ISPs and many other individuals have=20
<dd>been working around the clock for the past week to come up with a=
strategy. I
<dd>send our draft strategy to Dr. Abdel Rahman and he replied back with=
three
<dd>points that he would like to see in the Draft. These point were added=
with some
<dd>modification to the strategy, In our board meeting this Saturday we
will=
discuss
<dd>this draft and after the approval it will be sent back to Dr. abdel=
Rahman and
<dd>after Paltel approval we will announce a public workshop with Paltel
and=
all
<dd>the ISPs to discuss the new strategy in public. In my opinion we are=
making
<dd>progress on an issue that has been lingering there for three years=
now. 

<dd>My second point, having a public forum to exchange ideas without a
<dd>draft strategy that we all agree to is non sense we have done that
tens=
of time
<dd>in Paltel HQ in Nabuls and in the Grand Park hotel in Ramallah,
nothing <dd>happened, just talk, so we are not going to do it again unless
we have a=
general
<dd>understanding and basic agreement on these issues and we can work the=
minor
<dd>details later. 
 

<dd>Finally, I hope by the next week we will have a mutually agreed=20
<dd>upon strategy that will be beneficial to both of us. If you would
like=
to=20
<dd>address all the ISPs in Palestine just post to
<dd>isps@pita-palestine.org and to address the board of PITA post to=20
<dd>pita@pita-palestine.org and we will post it for you. Take care and=
thanks=20
<dd>for listening 
 

<dd>At 04:38 =E3 23/05/01, Abdel Rahman Omar wrote:
<dd><?color><?param 7F00,0000,0000>>Nael,
<dd>>
<dd>>Explanation please.
<dd>>
<dd>>MAAN,
<dd>>
<dd>>THE BALL IS AND HAS BEEN IN YOUR COURT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE
SPOKE=
AND
<dd>>DISCUSSED THESE AND OTHER ISSUES.
<dd>>
<dd>>I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS THE SAME COURT AS FAR AS PIS, POL ETC
ETC...ARE <dd>>CONCERNED. WE WILL NOT DEAL WITH ONE ISP AT A TIME. YOU
FOLKS DO NOT=
SEEM TO BE
<dd>>ORGANIZED OR HAVE A UNIFIED VOICE TO REPRESENT YOU OR SPEAK ON
YOUR=
BEHALF.
<dd>>
<dd>>WE REPEATEDLY REQUESTED A FORUM TO EXCHANGE VIEWS AND ARRIVE AT=
MUTUALLY
<dd>>ACCEPTABLE AND BENEFICIAL WAYS AND/OR CONDITIONS FOR WORKING=
TOGETHER WITH ALL
<dd>>ISP'S.
<dd>>
<dd>>YOU FOLKS SUGGESTED PITA.
<dd>>
<dd>>WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A REPLY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WAIT. BUT
PLEASE=
DO NOT
<dd>>COMPLAIN IN THE MEANTIME.
<dd>>
<dd>>Regards,
<dd>>
<dd>>Abdel Rahman Omar
<dd>>
<dd>>__________________________________________________________________
__= ________ <dd>>_______________ <dd>> <dd>> <dd>>-----
Original Message ----- <dd>>From: "Maan Bseiso"
<maan@palnet.com> <dd>>To: <aromar@paltel.net>;
<ZahiKhouri@aol.com>;=
<mkhorma@paltel.net>;
<dd>><mkhorma@aol.com>
<dd>>Cc: <management@palnet.com>; <nael.asad@paltel.net>;=
<muneeb@mecopal.com>
<dd>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:10 PM
<dd>>Subject: FW: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> > Dear Mr. Khouri and Mr. Omar...
<dd>> >
<dd>> > Please find below another case of unfair competition . This=
case is in
<dd>> > Rafah, how can we trust paltel to install the frame relay=
lines for us, if
<dd>> > they are telling our customers to dump us and take internet=
from Paltel.
<dd>>Is
<dd>> > this the synergy we are talking about
<dd>> >
<dd>> > I demand that you do something about it .. this has gone
too=
far..
<dd>> >
<dd>> >
<dd>> > -----Original Message-----
<dd>> > From: Samer Sabri [<a href=3D"mailto:samers@palnet.com"=
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:samers@palnet.com</a>]
<dd>> > Sent: 22/May/2001 04:50 PM
<dd>> > To: maan@palnet.com
<dd>> > Cc: Samer Sabri
<dd>> > Subject: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
<dd>> > Importance: High
<dd>> >
<dd>> >
<dd>> > Salam Maan ...
<dd>> >
<dd>> > We sent an offer through Meco to a new Internet Cafe @
Rafah=
.. it was in
<dd>> > 22/4/01 and they gave us the acceptance @ 9/5/01.
<dd>> >
<dd>> > We sent to Paltel request for the F/R but they told us that=
they need a
<dd>>week
<dd>> > to install this service in Rafah. But in 20/5/01 when
Paltel=
tech team
<dd>>went
<dd>> > there to Install the DTU @ the Internet Caf=E9 they told
him=
that they can
<dd>> > give him the same service in better price which is $320.
After=
that he
<dd>> > called Mohamad at Palnet's office in Gaza and he told him
that=
he want to
<dd>> > stop the order from Palnet and he want to take the F/R
service=
from Paltel.
<dd>> >
<dd>> > What can we do with Paltel about that , and its not the
first=
time they
<dd>>are
<dd>> > doing this?
<dd>> >
<dd>> > Thanks
<dd>> > Samer
<dd>> >
<dd>> >
<dd>> > 

<dd><?/color>Best Regards
<dd>Ahmed Abumarzouq, CPA
<dd>President & CEO
<dd>Palestinian Internet Services
<dd><a href=3D"http://www.p-i-s.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">WWW.P-I-S.COM</a>
<dd>Tel: +(970) 8 2843197 <dd>Fax: +(970) 8 2843377 <dd>Some countries are
still using the Israeli Code 972 

<dd><?color><?param 0100,0100,0100>------- End of forwarded=
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<x-sigsep></x-sigsep>

</dl>Best Regards 
Ahmed Abumarzouq, CPA 
President & CEO 
Palestinian Internet Services 
<a href=3D"http://www.p-i-s.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">WWW.P-I-S.COM</a> 
Tel: +(970) 8 2843197 Fax: +(970) 8 2843377 Some countries are
still using the Israeli Code 972 </html>

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References:

RE: (Fwd) Re: We lost a new Frame Relay @ Rafah
From: "Ibrahim Barham" <ibrahim_barham@safad.com>
Letter to Paltel
From: Ahmed Abumarzouq <ahmed@p-i-s.com>







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